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Impeach Obama

Post by Sparky » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:46 am

I'm tired of all this nonsense. Obama must start showing competence NOW.

We do not want a war with Syria, we do not want a war with China, we do not want a war with Russia, we do not want a war with North Korea.

Either he starts showing competence, or he must be vociferously vetoed from starting war. I would otherwise suggest impeachment.


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Violence is inversely proportional to competence. Obedience to God who commanded not to murder (not to kill people), not to hate one another, and gave commands to love all other people (even your enemies) and unselfishly help one another is directly proportional to competence.

Thus, if you default to violence, you have shown that with as much violence you use, you and everyone with whom you are associated are that incompetent. A competent person and team will try every option and avoid all violence, including investigating, understanding, relating, cooperating, working to help one another, and above all, keeping in mind what God has already taught and commanded. A wise and competent person will never resort to violence and will ignore all fears. They will work for the well-being of everyone involved in a situation (which is the definition of justice) and will inspire people to do good rather than evil, to save life rather than destroy it.
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Re: Impeach Obama

Post by Smythe » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:42 am

So the millions of people in Syria who will die due to the conflict between the Government and the Rebels is the job of someone else and not the US?

You realize that if your country does nothing, nobody else will. Thousands of civilians will die.


I guess it doesn't matter to you, whether it's because of their religion or skin colour i don't know, that's your call to make. What's not your call is whether this is the right thing to do for America.

Syria is tearing itself apart, there's civil war between the Government and the rebels (in case you didn't notice) and one of them is using chemical weaponry on the other! This is war crimes, plain and simple. The only way that it'll all stop is if there is a Regime change, or the Syrian Government is wiped out by the rebels.

The US government has to act in some way, otherwise they will be seen as letting thousands of innocent people die, whether or not they are US citizens.
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Re: Impeach Obama

Post by hx239 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:16 am

Helping others is a good thing, I think we can all agree on that. One of the most important things about helping others, is to make sure you are in a good position to do so. You have to take care of yourself in order to be able to help others properly.

That said, it should be fairly obvious that America's economic state is pretty shitty right now. Not as bad as some places, but certainly not good or stable. We might be able to offer some amount of aid in our current situation, but ultimately it would hurt us and not be as much as others need. Therefor, I suggest that the best course of action would be to instead pump that money into our own affairs, until such time that we are the thriving economic powerhouse we once were. The aid we would be able to produce at that point would far surpass anything we could reasonably do right now.

TLDR: Help yourself first in order to better help others later.

Also Smythe, there is no reason to attack Sparky personally for his ideas. Doing so belittles the idea of conversation and turns what might be a meaningful debate into a pissing contest. Please keep this in mind in the future.
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Re: Impeach Obama

Post by WaeV » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:46 am

Smythe wrote:So the millions of people in Syria who will die due to the conflict between the Government and the Rebels is the job of someone else and not the US?
I wish this was why we were there.

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The united states has a couple objectives in Syria.

1) weaken a major Russian/iranian ally.
2) prevent sarin and VX weapons from falling into the hands on known terrorist organizations such as Al Nursra.
3) remove the only russian naval bas in the Mediterranean.

If the US can accomplish those goals, it lets them more directly safeguard the flow of oil through the Suez canal, and shores up Israel's place in the region.

The loss of civilian life is irrelevant, and not much more than an excuse to start the fireworks.
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Re: Impeach Obama

Post by Sparky » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:17 am

Obama falsified his birth certificate, meaning that he hired someone to forge it for him.



It took an Arizona sheriff and his independent investigators to discover the truth of the lies of Obama's alleged legitimacy.

In all candidness, the US federal government needs a complete overhaul in people and organizations. Start over brand new upon the basis of the US Constitution.

Anyway, Obama was a male prostitute and drug dealer connected to terrorist organizations through manipulation.

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