island mod by mavrick06

Hunter · Post by **Hunter** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:55 pm

Arthur9 wrote:
alabaster wrote:hmm im thinking add a log tower or 2 on the top part of the island or make a better base for red team in ctf
Make it very high, so high it go in space! And put a hidden teleport to the top of the log tower, so you can do benji jumps from there.

sure!,that will be cool!sky diving!!

spida · Post by **spida** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:15 pm

I dont like the tower idea. Don't mod the island thats a dumb idea. Work on bloodgulch only. Cause otherwise then you are just modding someones mod and that would be called copying.

Yummy · Post by **Yummy** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:45 pm

Wikipedia is kick ass wrote:Copying is the duplication of information, or an artifact, based only on an instance of that information or artifact, and not using the process that originally generated it. With analog forms of information, copying is only possible to a limited degree of accuracy, which depends on the quality of the equipment used, and, if applicable, the skill of the operator. With digital forms of information, perfect copying is not only possible, but is, almost by definition, the norm.

You are not doing that by changing a modded map.

spida · Post by **spida** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:08 pm

Yes, because the island was swords. So, if you change sumthing sword made because the island is a MODDED map then you are copying his work. Only if you mod BG is that NOT copying, because that has not been modded previously by a modder.

How you like them apples? haha

Yummy · Post by **Yummy** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:52 pm

But it was made by Bungie? Going with your argument, we are copying off of Bungie and we should all be punished. Also, COPYING is taking someone else's work and giving YOURSELF credit for it. Changing a modded map and including that The Island was made by sword is not copying.

Read the definition buddy

How do you like dem crackerz?

spida · Post by **spida** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:02 pm

Yes, that is true for the most part. BUT, sword made the island mod for halo demo. If you were to mod the island on full then it would not be copying because sword did not make that. And yes even if you were to cite sword for his work it is still copying. We are not talking about plagerism or anything here we are talking about COPYING! And the island for demo is made by sword and even if you mod it and say sword made it is still copying because you did not make the island therefor you are copying.

Once again, outsmarted by a noob. Spida is good. Anyone else out there want to join in on this arguement I am in the mood for a debate. haha. Well yes, it is kind of boring with only yummy to argue against.

Yummy · Post by **Yummy** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:34 pm

"Only yummy to argue against"

Haha. This is a good argument.
You never did say anything about us copying off of Bungie? And, NO MATTER WHERE THE MOD IS, sword still made....i don't care if it's in halo retail or in China, sword still made it. Now, think about it....when you copy a test....you look at someone's paper and copy the information onto your paper. But, when you think about it (don't need to think about it...just trying to say something interesting

)...you don't have access to their paper. But, we DO have access to sword's mod. I'm sure that sword could've protected it a bit....and....even so....the information to mod a map is given to us. So, why not change it and mod his map a bit? If you create a new mod based on the island then you are not copying...you are only using sword's brilliant work and making it more brilliant! And, spida, you shouldn't be modding....unless you think copying is ethical...because of your base argument (which is, once again that by modding a modded map - which in essence is still a halo demo map anyways...you are cheating). Modding BG Original is the exact same as modding a modded BG map.

I am not being outsmarted until you hear my rebuttal. I am only being outsmarted when I cannot come up with a rebuttal.

spida · Post by **spida** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:56 pm

haha wow nice comeback and quote. Well, yes you do have access to a persons test to cheat off in class but that evidence is not relivent to the topic we are on. Sword made his mod to give to other people for them to play and enjoy. He did not however say "Here is my mod. Please take it and edit it." and also, I do not mod modded maps because that is called copying. If you did not do the work then you are just copying what someone else did. If you did not port the whole map and did not do all the bitmaps and all by yourself then you are copying. If you can convert the whole island map by yourself without using swords maps then congratulations you are not opying. And the original BG that comes with the halo demo is an unmodded map. Bungie did not say go ahead and mod this all you want, but that is a whole lot different than modding the island. You can use someones idea and not be copying just borrowing, but you CANNOT use the work that they did and change it and then say it is your mod. You shouldn't even be able to release it because you did not do all the original work it took to get there.

Yes I have typed a lot and i look forward to the next arguement. Well yummy, I am going on google right now to find a good quote so My quotes can also be better.

Quote- Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

Written By Douglas Adams

Yummy · Post by **Yummy** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:12 pm

No, you don't have access to it! You can look, but that's not allowed. If you are caught looking, then you're screwed....having access to something means that you can see it, look at it, write to it, do whatever. You cannot do that with a test that is not yours.

I believe that let's say I create a program...and post the code for it on here. (This is VERY similar to modding, don't deny it). I have done this a couple times actually anyways....You can do whatever you want to that code....I really don't care. As long as, you give credit to me if you post it. And, when you are given a mod, why not edit it more and say: "Sword did this, this, this, this, this...and I added this, this, this" What is wrong with that? Now, here is where my analogy of a test fails...because of course you (can) shouldn't write for the name of who's test it is: "Yummy and Sword". By giving credit on a mod to it's original creator, you're not cheating. Also, according to you...let's say you make a mod....and give it to me. I then post it on this site and say "Made by Spida, here is the _____ Mod" Am I copying your work? No, I am putting it out there that you made it, just like when I mod a mod, I am putting out there who the original creator is.

spida · Post by **spida** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:26 pm

Yes, but you are missing my whole argument to this topic. I am not saying you shouldn't edit it. I am saying that you are copying it. No matter how much you say somebody made it and you are just editing it you are still copying. We are NOT talking about plagerism here we are talking about copying. Yes, we do have acess to swords mod and we do have acess to some tests but it does not mean we should. Copying is just using someone elses work that they did. If you did not create the island mod you are copying. I am not saying that it is not alright to mod it and cite it im just saying there is no real modding of your own in there because sword did all the work in getting the island on the demo.
Yes you can create a program and post the code. When people take it, edit it, and post it even if they site you it is still not THEIR program. They have added their changes to it but have not created the entire application by themselves if they are COPYING what you created.

I hope you understand now what I am trying to argue. Its not that you shouldn't mod swords mod its just that it is called copying because you did not entirely make it or start it. The idea wasn't even yours. I personally think borrowing an idea is okay but using someone elses mod and changing it a little and posting it is called copying. It will be posted with your name and not swords even if you site sword on his work, and it is not your original mod.

I wish sword was here to argue, it would be interesting to hear his side of the argument.

Monoman, I am just wondering, it would give this forum a little more excitement and fun if you added an argument section so people can argue about topics like the one me and yummy are argueing about now. Could you make that topic and make me and yummy moderators. If that sounds like a good idea to you, of course.

Yummy · Post by **Yummy** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:37 pm

Hahah, so you're telling me that it's copying to cite a quote in an essay? EVEN if i do say so and so made it. And, if i mod a mod, i am doing work! I modded it too, so i put my name on it also....It's more than access.....you are allowed to do it...as long as you make it clear that he made it. Don't tell me I never did any work if a MOD a mod. It's not their program, but what they did from it is still my program. You are giving a different definition of copying. Copying is something that is considered bad, you are making it sound pretty good. I dno't mind. You are saying copying is copying code. Now you're going really far. You can once again say using a quote on an essay is copying, you can say citing code is copying, you can also say that when i go to google and get sample code from a site, then modify it....I'm copying. Well buddy, I am not copying....I am using sample code that is meant for me to improve my program. (Don't get the wrong idea, i write most of the code...when i come up with a problem....i use this handy link). There are so many things that everyone does that you are considering to be bad. Really....if sword mods it...then i add maybe a sniper with scope 20x...then i post it and say "Here's an Edited version of The Island. Of course, most of it was made by sword, but i added a sniper with a 20x zoom. Don't begin to tell me that i did something wrong! I said sword did most of it, so who cares? If i start to say it is my work then i am copying. YES, i mean copying not plagiarizing. (actually plagiarism is a form of copying, which you seem to be referring to).

spida · Post by **spida** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:45 pm

Yes. You have some correct statements in there but you are not getting the basic point. This post will be short because it is late and I don't want to type much. It is copying in a way if you use google to get a code and then you edit it. It is free information and it is not being hidden but it is also not your work. You personalized it, but you DID NOT create it so therfor it is not completly your work. Sword handed out his mod to be played and enjoyed by gamers but nowhere does it say feel free to edit my mod. Yes it is there for you to edit but he never said you could. ex. there is a smart kid next to you in math that has all the answers correct on his test. You CAN copy it but you should not. Me, personally, i would copy because that is school and im failing school, but I should not be copying it. I should be creating my own work.

Yummy · Post by **Yummy** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:39 am

Ok, i get it. If i'm correct. Your definition of copying is the process of moving one thing to another thing, where the other thing is the same as the first thing. My definition is where you copy something and give credit to yourself, or you don't bother to give credit to someone else.

Sephiroth Clock · Post by **Sephiroth Clock** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:05 am

Yummy wrote:Ok, i get it. If i'm correct. Your definition of copying is the process of moving one thing to another thing, where the other thing is the same as the first thing.

Copying.

My definition is where you copy something and give credit to yourself, or you don't bother to give credit to someone else.

Plagiarizing.

Yummy · Post by **Yummy** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:17 am

Plagiarizing is a form of copying. So, when you plagiarize, you still copy.

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