Coming back to online FPS gaming after a bit of a gap has been most enjoyable. However, there is one thing that I haven't missed and that still annoys me...
Gaming snobs. These are the guys who insist on calling 'newbies' 'noobs' and castergate them at every turn.
These people are invariable rude (to everyone), always think they are the best players, and anyone else is just a irritation! (Despite the fact they rely on other people - of whatever skill level - to play against!)
Predictably, these immature idiots are instinctively drawn to deathmatch type games (where they can massage their egos through the scoreboard)...This is why I prefer co-op!
However, it's the out and out rudness of these people that gets me. And I can't help but wonder how many players they drive away from the game because of thier hounding and disparaging remarks towards first time players.
Sorry if this has turned into a bit of a rant - but I hate rudness, and I happen to like 'newbies'! When ever possible I like to welcome new people into the game, and offer them advice or help.
Yes, I do get frustrated sometimes with 'newbies' and thier inexperience - but haven't we all been there?
Blimey - if I were to tot up the amount of friendly-fire I have done in my time! LOL
One last thing...
Sadly, because of the way Ghost Recon works on GameRanger, invariably it is the game-snobs that seem to run the servers! This gives them immense satisfaction - as they go on a little power trip, booting who they don't like (mostly 'newbies') for the slightest infringment!
Lets hope that GR2 has a proper server side system (not client served) so that we can get rid of these snobs!
Gaming 'snobs' - pain in the arse!
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I concur. And yes you find them mostly on PvP (player vs player) servers. I jumped on a warzone server for a few minutes tonight and witnessed this very subject.
It amazes me how inflated some peoples ego's get over a game. I really do wonder if they realize that another human being is on the other side, or if they are so weak that they have to act tough because they ARE behind a computer screen. Food for thought.
IMO, coop is the stomping grounds for a more mature/humble player, something we need more of these days.
It amazes me how inflated some peoples ego's get over a game. I really do wonder if they realize that another human being is on the other side, or if they are so weak that they have to act tough because they ARE behind a computer screen. Food for thought.
IMO, coop is the stomping grounds for a more mature/humble player, something we need more of these days.
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Sorry about the rant...
I was online in a GRd GameRanger game last night - and the abuse that was being hefted on some of the players by the 'host' (a typical FPS-snob) was diabolical.
Unfortunately this host had the only GRd game on at the time - it was OK for me, I simply changed to a GR co-op that was on. But for some people that was the only game in town!
GameRanger should have a facility to report abusive hosts.
I was online in a GRd GameRanger game last night - and the abuse that was being hefted on some of the players by the 'host' (a typical FPS-snob) was diabolical.
Unfortunately this host had the only GRd game on at the time - it was OK for me, I simply changed to a GR co-op that was on. But for some people that was the only game in town!
GameRanger should have a facility to report abusive hosts.
To tell you the truth. I was never the "clan type". I was never in a clan before SOG. And the only reason I created SOG was to compete in a coop tournament that required the players to have a website/roster. So I formed SOG for that very reason. Well, now it has stayed alive for over 2 years. Who'd of thunk it?!
I just find it humorous that all these "Mac players" call others n00bs, when in the scheme of things they are the ones that are truly uninformed.
No one is humbled by a blabbering loudmouth idiot.
I just find it humorous that all these "Mac players" call others n00bs, when in the scheme of things they are the ones that are truly uninformed.
No one is humbled by a blabbering loudmouth idiot.
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Likewise I have never been a 'clan' person (hence my GR title of [ ] Ranger for a long time)...
I only changed this recently when I joined my works office 'team' and became [BIG] Ranger - but it isn't so much a clan as a loose 'club'; and it's very much for fun.
I love to have a laugh, and always find my own mistakes funny, but I have found that my laughing out loud (LOL) when typed in, or attempts to communicate during the game do annoy some people.
...It's like certain players just don't want you to not take things seriously!
I can see the point of this in a tournament game. Obviously competition players do not want to be distracted by idle 'chatter'. But in a normal day-to-day game there are things that happen that are just plain funny and that's that!
However, what REALLY seems to irritate the 'game-snobs' is when you are obviously not taking the game seriously but are having a really 'hot' game. It is even worse when you 'kill' them and still don't seem to be 'trying too hard'! (That really seems to piss them off!)
I'm sure this has happened to all of us - sometimes it forces the 'game-snob' to drum up a bit of humility. and at other times it just makes them more aggresive.
...During a game like this I got soundly told off by the hosting 'game-snob' (who obviously thought he was shit-hot) because I chatted to the other players between games and laughed at a couple of funny moments that happened in the last game.
When is there not room for fun in a game???
I only changed this recently when I joined my works office 'team' and became [BIG] Ranger - but it isn't so much a clan as a loose 'club'; and it's very much for fun.
I love to have a laugh, and always find my own mistakes funny, but I have found that my laughing out loud (LOL) when typed in, or attempts to communicate during the game do annoy some people.
...It's like certain players just don't want you to not take things seriously!
I can see the point of this in a tournament game. Obviously competition players do not want to be distracted by idle 'chatter'. But in a normal day-to-day game there are things that happen that are just plain funny and that's that!
However, what REALLY seems to irritate the 'game-snobs' is when you are obviously not taking the game seriously but are having a really 'hot' game. It is even worse when you 'kill' them and still don't seem to be 'trying too hard'! (That really seems to piss them off!)
I'm sure this has happened to all of us - sometimes it forces the 'game-snob' to drum up a bit of humility. and at other times it just makes them more aggresive.
...During a game like this I got soundly told off by the hosting 'game-snob' (who obviously thought he was shit-hot) because I chatted to the other players between games and laughed at a couple of funny moments that happened in the last game.
When is there not room for fun in a game???
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Did you ever think that without these people, there would be no further encouragement to the "noobs" to get better? Thats where I find most of my fight in games, is people having no faith whatsoever in me. So in an effect, we owe these guys alot - even if they do get overly annoying. As for the server issue, its your choice to leave. If you feel that one is being an asshole, find another server or start your own. Perhaps even CHANGE your name before you enter the game??!?!
I don't get any inpiration nor do I get enlightened by anyone who talks smack. I learn from players who have respect for the game, themselves and the people who they play it with. I guess that some people might feed off the aggression from the asshole, but not me.PandabeaR wrote:Did you ever think that without these people, there would be no further encouragement to the "noobs" to get better? Thats where I find most of my fight in games, is people having no faith whatsoever in me. So in an effect, we owe these guys alot - even if they do get overly annoying. As for the server issue, its your choice to leave. If you feel that one is being an asshole, find another server or start your own. Perhaps even CHANGE your name before you enter the game??!?!
But you're right, we have the choice to either play and deal with it or leave and find a better host/server.
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I kinda see where you are coming from PandabeaR - but to take it as far as saying that 'we owe these guys alot' is stretching it somewhat!PandabeaR wrote:Did you ever think that without these people, there would be no further encouragement to the "noobs" to get better? Thats where I find most of my fight in games, is people having no faith whatsoever in me. So in an effect, we owe these guys alot - even if they do get overly annoying. As for the server issue, its your choice to leave. If you feel that one is being an asshole, find another server or start your own. Perhaps even CHANGE your name before you enter the game??!?!
Yes, we play an adverserial game, yes there is a certain element of 'sink or swim' as most of us are so busy covering our own hides that it's hard to take the time to train up 'newbies'...
BUT...Does that excuse plain out and out agression towards new players? Does that excuse harrasment or racist, genderist or desparaging remarks?
I never learned one thing from a 'game-snob', and yes I do cope with them OK myself (mostly I ignore them - occassionally I shut them up by kicking thier ass - with good humour, which really pisses them off).
But most of all I feel sorry for people who do not understand that we are all just playing a game - and a game that NEEDS competitors. Otherwise it's just masturbation and you might as well play against the AI.
Politeness tells you a lot about a person's character - it shows you a person who can deal with pressure and not have to resort in taking out thier frustration on the nearest 'newbie'. These are the kind of people I respect.
Yes, you can move to a new server - IF you can find one (one of my points was that these people tend also to be the ones who can host on GameRanger). But how many potencially good players does this put off?
But in the end, you are right in a way - there will always be these kind of bullys around, and also people who will be prepared to excuse them (which is why they are still around).
I play online because I like to meet new people - I basically like people. I also get a kick outa encouraging and helping new players...
What you have to decide is what you personally get more of a kick out of: helping people or putting them down when they do not come up to your high expectations...
Your choice will tell you a lot about yourself, both 'inn-game' and in real life.
well as far as FPS's go, noobs don't really ruin the game that much. sure it's annoying when you get stuck with them on your team, but why not try giving them some advice on what to do? It's the noobs who *think* they know it all and just get mad when you try to tell them how to play that really get to me the most in FPS games.
However, if i may be allowed to stray slightly from the topic for a moment, since this topic is more about "noobs" and "game-snobs", I'd like to talk about them in another type of game: strategy games.
In strategy type games (such as aoeII or C&C generals), noobs can be a REAL problem. MOST of the time there are enough games that some rooms are labeled "noob-med only" and other games labeled "elite only" and things like that. When a noob joins a "elite only" room, and we start the game, it can make a game which WOULD have been fun, extremely boring or lame. Say for instance you're playing in a 3v3 match with 5 of the players being an equal level(more or less) and one of the players being far worse than everybody else. This puts the other people on his team at a severe disadvantage, and they soon realize there is no hope of winning, and become unyhappy and bored. Not only does this ruin the game for those 2 people, but the opposing team (normally) enjoys a SOMEWHAT challenging match. When they realize they're got the game in the bag, it also becomes uninteresting for them, and there are 3 more people the game is ruined for. So 1 person can ruin a game for 5 people just by not being honest and having some stupid desire to get beaten so badly they cry and block all the other people in the room.
ON THE OTHER HAND(and before I say alot about these people, I will admit I USED to be one, untill I realized what a stupid, immature asshole I was being) there are the people who "smurf"(making a new accnt and acting like a noob). These people are normally the people who are just on the verge of being good enough for an elite clan, but not quite. They get bored with not being quite as good as the other people, but still good enough to be let into their rooms. SO WHAT DO THEY DO? they smurf. they join a "noob-med only" room and pretend to be a noob, then beat the shit out of everyone in sight and get a good laugh, then re-smurf and do it again in a different room. How are the noobs ever supposed to get good if they keep getting creamed by more experiance players? Is it suddenly ok for more experiance players to join noob rooms, but not the other way around? NO and these people are actually worse than the noobs, who, sometimes don't realize they joined an "elite only" game, or something and it was a pure accident.
Sorry if I seemed to go on for a bit there, but I felt that something should be said about those types of people, and maybe convince some of them not to be like that, because it just ruins it for everyone else.
However, if i may be allowed to stray slightly from the topic for a moment, since this topic is more about "noobs" and "game-snobs", I'd like to talk about them in another type of game: strategy games.
In strategy type games (such as aoeII or C&C generals), noobs can be a REAL problem. MOST of the time there are enough games that some rooms are labeled "noob-med only" and other games labeled "elite only" and things like that. When a noob joins a "elite only" room, and we start the game, it can make a game which WOULD have been fun, extremely boring or lame. Say for instance you're playing in a 3v3 match with 5 of the players being an equal level(more or less) and one of the players being far worse than everybody else. This puts the other people on his team at a severe disadvantage, and they soon realize there is no hope of winning, and become unyhappy and bored. Not only does this ruin the game for those 2 people, but the opposing team (normally) enjoys a SOMEWHAT challenging match. When they realize they're got the game in the bag, it also becomes uninteresting for them, and there are 3 more people the game is ruined for. So 1 person can ruin a game for 5 people just by not being honest and having some stupid desire to get beaten so badly they cry and block all the other people in the room.
ON THE OTHER HAND(and before I say alot about these people, I will admit I USED to be one, untill I realized what a stupid, immature asshole I was being) there are the people who "smurf"(making a new accnt and acting like a noob). These people are normally the people who are just on the verge of being good enough for an elite clan, but not quite. They get bored with not being quite as good as the other people, but still good enough to be let into their rooms. SO WHAT DO THEY DO? they smurf. they join a "noob-med only" room and pretend to be a noob, then beat the shit out of everyone in sight and get a good laugh, then re-smurf and do it again in a different room. How are the noobs ever supposed to get good if they keep getting creamed by more experiance players? Is it suddenly ok for more experiance players to join noob rooms, but not the other way around? NO and these people are actually worse than the noobs, who, sometimes don't realize they joined an "elite only" game, or something and it was a pure accident.
Sorry if I seemed to go on for a bit there, but I felt that something should be said about those types of people, and maybe convince some of them not to be like that, because it just ruins it for everyone else.
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