E0.7 Research

[Altimit01]

I've been having problems with a new feature and need some people with the capability to use either HMT or some similar program which is capable of doing SP->MP. I do not know whether or not HMT0.5 or C#MT are capable of this using the HMTv3.5 tutorials or not. In the hopes that they are I'm asking anyone who has access, the capability and know how to help with this.

E0.7.3 internal includes a BSP replacement option and some optimizations/bug fixes related to bitmaps.

How to use the BSP replacement tool:
Open map with target BSP.
Recursively extract target SBSP tag.
Open and expand target map.
Select the "BSP selection" tab.
Select the BSP to be replaced from the "BSP chunk" drop down menu (for MP maps there should only be one).
Select the extracted SBSP tag from the list box/
Option: Do Not Import Duplicates: the SBSP replacement process also imports all the dependent tags. This option will not import tags that already exist in the map.
Press the rebuild button and save the new map.

There have been problems similar to implicit DOBC references but they also occur on maps which do not include those kinds of tags. The cause is currently unknown although one possibility may be that the map relies on an implicit tag ordering structure. A way to test this would be to use a SP->MP conversion that is known to work with HMT but does not work with Eschaton as a base case. The simplest test would be to do the SP->MP conversion in Eschaton, confirm the errors and then do a zero-change rebuild with HMT. That is to say with HMT batch extract the map, and then rebuild it without changing anything. This would simply reorder the tags and possibly remove unreferenced tags. A comparision between an Eschaton->HMT zero change rebuild and an HMT SP->MP conversion may also reveal the associated problems. Thanks in advance for any one interested in researching this and helping make Eschaton that much better.

Links:
Windows: Download
Mac OSX: Download

[Modzy]

Aye Captain.

[Rofldonutburger]

Nice and epic.

[seabeast]

I KNEW IT! I tried that before, but it didn't work. Just said error... D/ling now.

[TaxiService]

do the problem only happen with full maps? o_o because me and you already know that it works with demo's b30 & bg!

i didn't already test it with full. are you saying that it fails? o_o

[Altimit01]

It works for certain BSPs. One of which is the b30a which is the only one that matters for demo. The problems are with other BSPs. Ones that should work don't. I can't recall off-hand which ones should work versus shouldn't but browsing around the PC downloads section of any modding site should give a good idea of what works for HMT.

[seabeast]

It works for certain BSPs. One of which is the b30a which is the only one that matters for demo. The problems are with other BSPs. Ones that should work don't. I can't recall off-hand which ones should work versus shouldn't but browsing around the PC downloads section of any modding site should give a good idea of what works for HMT.

CE ones do not work ever for me. Full ones don't work ever either. I've never tried b30, cause we already have that.

[Altimit01]

There is no mechanism for cross version importation yet. This is designed to stay only within the same version. So CE->CE, PC->PC and Demo->Demo. CE->PC and PC->CE might work because they don't have differences but it should not and is not designed for PC->Demo and Demo->PC.

[seabeast]

Oops. I meant CE converted with Harbinger/QAR too.

[Altimit01]

I know at least some full ones work. b30a and d40terrain should work without problems. Can't really account for any of the others. Half the reason for the research. Need to find a reason certain BSPs don't work and the first step is identifying which ones do and don't.

[Modzy]

If we're going to go through every SP map to see which BSPs work, then we should have one person work on one map, and another person do a different map.
I'll start on a10 in few, unless someone already has.

[Fuel]

b40a doesnt work

[Modzy]

b40a doesnt work

It works for me. o_O

Are you running the newest Halo? I'm on 2.0.3.

Edit: Yeah, it works, just not after you save with swordedit. >_<

[Fuel]

i tested for halo demo O_o
said the map wasnt like compatible or whatever

[Altimit01]

i tested for halo demo O_o
said the map wasnt like compatible or whatever

There is no mechanism for cross version importation yet. This is designed to stay only within the same version. So CE->CE, PC->PC and Demo->Demo. CE->PC and PC->CE might work because they don't have differences but it should not and is not designed for PC->Demo and Demo->PC.